So these are signs of the Kingdom, their foretaste of the Kingdom, but we're still longing for the day we're gonna see him face to face. maybe we can study this" That's how a lot of science is done, it starts with "oh wow, that's weird" and then we can go and start testing it but theists don't seem to even want to take that next step. She said she'd been curled up like a pretzel. The latest breaking Christian news you need to know about as soon as it happens. And of course there's no way to test medically because there was no medic op available. But Greg Spencer had been going blind due to macular degeneration. We use cookies to better understand website visitors, for advertising, and to offer you a better experience. Moreland: we asked god to give us a really good pool table just like the kind that you find in a pool hall, that isn't a cheap one that if you hit it up it shakes. Scott Rae: I'd say that's quite a footnote! Sean McDowell, Timothy Pickavance, Scott RaeFebruary 27, 2023, Sean McDowell, Scott RaeFebruary 16, 2023, Sean McDowell, Scott RaeFebruary 09, 2023. And by teacher time it was 200 pages I decided okay, this needs to be a separate book. She graduated from the University of Chicago School of Law, where she served as executive editor of the law review. "To this day.". So they investigated him for fraud. The one-on-one treatments, when they show an effect, are confounded by the more intense experience, the one-on-one attention, the group pressures, etc You are adding a lot of psychological elements which make it harder to establish causation. Scott Rae: Welcome to the podcast Think Biblically, Conversations on Faith and Culture. An immediate thought is how many times was he prayed over and nothing happened? Each of those people are in the same position as the boy Elijah speaks about and will certainly attribute a God-given miracle to their healing. I think no, because theism is vaguely defined. Barbara Snyder arrived at a He encountered scores of healings and other claims of the miraculous along the way, but there was one case in particular that truly blew his mind: the case of Barbara Snyder. Click here to subscribe to the Charisma News newsletter. Craig Keener: Yeah. Medical science has come a long way recognizing the fact that humans are easily fooled, they see patterns and agency where there isn't any good evidence, and biology is messy enough that uncertainty is always something to consider. Is he thinking (a strawman of) 100% of the time? Stanford and Johns Hopkins University. I had been an Atheist before my conversion. You're an expert on the life and teachings of Paul. Regardless of the contents of the specific studies, this sort of fishing for positive results is thoroughly unscientific and casts significant doubt on any results from this institution. At over 2 billion Christians, praying many times, if this was a real effect at the 1% level we'd expect millions of documented cases yearly -- certainly a large enough signal to experimentally verify. It's still healing. There were plenty of other stories just like it, too. She deteriorated over a period of many years, several operations, many hospitalizations," Strobel explained. We will be fully healed with our resurrection bodies. Reserve today is in a position to attract a broad range of outstanding A legal scholar, Snyder was the first woman to serve as the Case Western's president. But my wife and I have also been through a series of miscarriages. its future, DiSanto said. The response we get is to say "Well what you have to do is you have to compare explanations and see which one's the best" and it's like "Right! Craig Keener: In Matthew 11 and Luke Chapter 7, John the Baptist sends to Jesus because he hears the works of Jesus, he hears of these healings taking place and he says, "Are you the one the come or shall we wait for somebody else?" There isn't anything that could tie the prayer as the causal element, given that she was most likely prayed for often an we're picking out the one case before a claimed recovery. aliens, homeopathy). The point is to first establish that there is some interesting effect there, regardless of the cause, and only after passing that threshold do we get to consider a more in-depth investigation. Her doctors have written about her seemingly impossible medical turn around. This kind of phrasing is trying to stop people from being skeptical of their claims (and only their claims). We don't know the timeline at all or the specifics, or any actual measurements. in social ethics from the University of Southern California, a Th.M. If someone says a treatment works, even at the 1% level, it is tested carefully to see if it works -- especially if there are no obvious side effects. She's on her deathbed," Strobel explained. Barbara R. Snyderis president of the Association of American Universities. Could you imagine a similar claim written about, say, a homeopathic remedy for cancer? It was predicted that she would die soon. Scott Rae: Tell me first, one of the books I'd like to talk about first is the book Impossible Love. So that, I mean that would almost qual, I mean three hours. Subjects reported impaired vision or hearing at the beginning of the study and were tested with standard vision or audiology tests before and after treatment. A woman name Barbara Cummiskey Snyder was on the verge of death from MS that she had had for over 15 years. These steps are in place to get at the truth, not to specifically put up barriers to rule out miracles. Barbara spent years paralyzed, but stood up in an instant. She never quotes her doctors about her condition, and provides no documentation whatsoever -- there is simply nothing to work with. He wrote to the Social Security Administration saying, "I'm not blind anymore." This was in 1981 that this happened. Though he believed the Biblical stories of Christs miracles, Strobel was less convinced miracles were happening today. It completely defies what is possible by any naturalistic means. I wasn't able to be in touch with her for that year and a half, but I didn't know if she was alive or dead. Is it possible to start by eliminating the theistic hypothesis? The current results are suggestive, but are not conclusive. And Jesus answers him with words from Isaiah 35 and Isaiah 61 saying, "The disabled will walk. None of us would say that all of those are authentic, but still we're talking about an awful lot of stories. The university has retained Spencer Stuart to assist in this search. Really? I asked. We use cookies to better understand website visitors, for advertising, and to offer you a better experience. It also calls into question the motives of God -- God is more concerned to give you a pool table than to cure leukemia in children or heart defects or nearly anything else. Craig Keener: In Christian circles it's been received really, really well. "Barbara Snyder was diagnosed at the Mayo Clinic with multiple sclerosis. I mean these were mainstream Evangelical Christians and anyway, some of the critiques, and actually some of the praises from the Christians showed that they hadn't actually read the book either. To learn about us and today's guest, Dr. Craig Keener and to find more episodes, go to biola.edu/thinkbiblically. Stay up-to-date with current issues, Christian teachings, entertainment news, videos & more. Christians) than other groups. We are interested in the truth and are aware of many other factors (e.g. The first step -- which the theists have not achieved -- is to just demonstrate that there is a real effect to be investigated. Nathan's point here is interesting, especially in light of the idea that the murderer example is not being used in the right place, that Elijah has this set of standard "tools" that he pulls out but doesn't seem to understand their use or limitations and is prone to misapply them. In If you are willing to believe the Barbard Snynder case, then you should be willing to believe this woman was healed of Parkinson's with "Energy Healing" or you should believe in the Golden Plates of Joseph Smith (making you a Mormon). It's not the consummation. Don't presume what I'll believe, show me evidence of an arm growing back first, then perhaps we'll see -- but I'd need the proper controls. The protocol also calls for multiple interventions if initial treatments are not effective essentially the subjects receive repeat treatments as long as possible until they report a response. You can get a free, one-month trial here. In his book, The Case for Miracles, evangelist Lee Strobel cites the miraculous healing of Barbara Snyder that took place nearly 30 years ago. Subsequent medical records document repeated substantial improvement. I wear glasses. At the beginning I didn't find all that. Share it with a friend. an 18-year-old female lost the majority of her central vision over the course of three months in 1959 and was later diagnosed with juvenile macular degeneration (JMD). We really appreciate your taking the time to come be on the podcast with us. Taking the story as the evidence is problematic. In principle I believed it, but I was questioning witnesses with kind of a skeptical approach to try to whittle away anything that wasn't necessarily accurate. It's not enough to be given the treatment and see an improvement afterward. Is it possible she was misdiagnosed -- it wasn't MS, so looking for an MS recovery may be misdirected? And even after CPR is stopped, there is an observed phenomenon of spontaneous recovery of heart activity after as much as 15 minutes, and his recovered after 10 minutes. He has served in a variety of teaching and leadership roles, including a term as president of the Evangelical Theological Society in 2015. The theists seem unwilling to do the work and want a pass anyway. We have previously pointed out that the kind of coincidences you'd dismiss as bad writing if you saw them in a movie happen all the time in real life. credentials as both a highly regarded research institution and as a place where Keener: what is specific about that data that suggests it isn't just a fluke you know one of those one in a million things that just happens sometimes yeah anomalies occur so it's important to look for an accumulation of anomalies so you don't just have what could be a coincidence. A document going through these particular medical statements with citations can be found here. I know we, we were really, really praying for him. He has a Ph.D. and M.A. Just, was it last night I think, we were talking and David Dockery was sharing about Grant Osbourne, a scholar friend of ours who passed away just this past month after an amazing career of scholarship, but when he was young he had asthma. If you thought you were miraculously cured, you'd have it tested every two weeks not waiting two years. It will be life-changing for those individuals, for sure, even under the condition where there are no miracles. 5 John Wilkes Booth's Brother and Abe Lincoln's Son . God can heal us through exercise or just the things he's placed in our body. So even when, you know it doesn't happen to all of us. diagnosis by the Mayo Clinic, her condition declined over the next 15 years. Author and evangelist Lee Strobel was once an atheist who served as the legal affairs editor for the Chicago Tribune before embarking on a quest to try and disprove Christianityan effort that ironically led him to embrace faith. After you lace up your boots, hit the trail. Its consultants have assisted with the recruitment of multiple senior CWRU i think michael's right about obviously so many things are coincidence so we have to weigh a lot of factors to see um you know is there a theistic context to it that that tends to predominate in in the cases where we have these and so on you need a lot of cases to be able to to test that but uh the issue that he raises about replicability is is a real issue in the sense that you know when when we speak of of god creating everything and we speak of you know as christians speak of god's handiwork being all around us you know that's that's those are things that can be tested for replicability but we may disagree on the explanation you know levels of causation but miracles as one-offs so to speak they're not replicable and so they're not really testable by replicable means you can't um you know ensure that you're going to have one the next time around at the same time there's all sorts of things we have to deal with that aren't replicable certainly in historiography i have to deal with that so we want to know how somebody died we can't kill them again to to to ensure that and that's why i brought up how in different different disciplines we have to use the epistemic approach that's suitable for that discipline and so for miracles i think a case study approach is much better. Strobel, 66, is a former investigative journalist with the Chicago Tribune. I confess I haven't made it through all 1000 pages. It was really the miracle of the resurrection and the historical evidence for that that ended up bringing me to faith many years ago, Strobel told Pure Flix Insider and The Billy Hallowell Podcast. But my skepticism didn't go away.. Barbara Snyder, JD'80, is president of the Association of American Universities (AAU), an organization composed of America's leading research universities. On the one hand they use the excuse of "it's not replicable" when asked about how to test it, and on the other hand they want to also say that miracles are common -- more common than people realize. And in each case, it's a witness to God's Glory where God gives grace to overcome in different kinds of situations. She was blind, bedridden with severely impaired breathing due to a paralyzed diaphragm and a collapsed lung. Millions of unique designs by independent artists. Barbara Rook "Babs" Snyder is an American academic and president of the Association of American Universities. perhaps a thickening of the intestine would look like a regrowth? The Mayo Clinic had diagnosed Barbara with multiple sclerosis. Prayer, in her house, probably occurs even more frequently. One day, one of her friends called WMBI, which is the radio station in Chicago run by the Moody Bible Institute, and said, 'Pray for Barbara. It's not just saying that the evidence provided is lacking, but there is missing evidence that would be expected on the truth of the claim -- making it an argument against the claim. Barbara Snyder (Barbara Cummiskey Snyder) - healed from multiple sclerosis The institution that is referenced for the work is Global Medical Research Institute (GMRI) and the documentary about miracles referenced is Send Proof. And why aren't there miracle claims of people spontaneously generating electricity? Nine out of ten with prayer is the meaning of replicable, so I don't know what he really is thinking when he says miracles are not replicable. It's not impossible under theism, but it is an odd omission and speaks to God's motivation. She has extensive experience in reinforcing Case Western Reserves One can have compelling evidence even when a case could be rendered stronger with even more evidence. We know that the healing was observed after the prayer, but we don't know if it caused it because we can't rule out an earlier recovery that went unnoticed. If miracles are real then these steps -- while possibly inconvenient -- would be easy to demonstrate. or perhaps it resolved in 2 years, and they never checked for a long time, only checking right after the prayer 16 years later. But again, it's a sign. The answer is simple none. And now she has a Masters degree from the seminary in Cameroon. It's been shown that there is a high survival rate for patients with their heart rhythm responds to shocks. Not at all, given that all of the facts of his case fall within the known bounds of what is possible and observed, even if rare. This shows a profound lack of imagination on the part of the investigators, and I think shows their hand. That is the definition of supernatural. After a year or two of investigation they finally concluded, and we have all of the medical documentation, that no, he had, the way they put it in their letter from the Social Security Administration, "You have received a remarkable return of your visual acuity, therefore, you are no longer qualified for disability." Lee Strobels Miracles talk (25 minute segment), Study of the Therapeutic Effects of Proximal Intercessory Prayer (STEPP) on Auditory and Visual Impairments in Rural Mozambique, In conversation with Digital Gnosis (Nathan Ormond), Street Epistemology with Eddie (Deep Discussions), Thoughts on the Randal Rauser vs. Here are two examples from my life where I was skeptical of an extraordinary claim, one where it turned out my perspective was correct and the other not. It doesn't matter whether the claim is religious or scientific, the same rules apply. Edwin Booth, perhaps unfairly known today as the brother of assassin John Wilkes Booth, was once upon a time . This is why causal connections are so hard to establish, because not only do you have to demonstrate a real effect, you have to somehow distinguish possible causes. Easily testable, and I'd be surprised if this is a real effect once you get past the selection bias and sociological effects, and have good controls including separating number of miracle reports from actual anomalous medical events. Data sets with \(N=1\) are not convincing in any field. I think a lot of times people will see something as a miracle because we're inclined to believe in miracles, you can also have confirmation bias to say I'm inclined not to see this as a miracle because I just don't think those things happen. She It also includes the audio recording of Duane Miller as he is being spontaneously healed of his permanent, severe vocal chord damage. I commented on the story here but there is very little to go on. It's just his Baptist church group from just like maybe a half a dozen people to 600 members from, almost all from non-Christian backgrounds. Scott Rae: Okay. J.P. Moreland points out that, well this was a number of years ago, maybe 10 years ago, he pointed out that in the previous three decades about 70% of all Evangelical growth had been due to signs and wonders. If that agent were doing these kinds of actions we would expect to see a bigger effect, or that agent is being capricious. And her hands had been curled up so much that every few months they had to uncurl her hands to get the dead skin out. Craig Keener: Well if you ask me what motivated me to write a 1000 page book on miracles I could say nothing because I wasn't planning to do it initially, but it was certainly one of the most enjoyable projects I've worked on. So sometimes we don't see the outcome. Contains the quotes I read aloud about Barbara Snyder (healed from M.S.) Synder's miraculous healing, which unfolded more than 30 years ago, was apparently so shocking that even her doctors have written about her seemingly impossible medical turnaround. Visit Pure Flix for access to thousands of faith and family friendly movies and TV shows. So what's your response when you pray, lots of people pray, and a miracle doesn't happen? It's a story of how you met your wife, Medina, and I'm taking I pronounced that correctly. In response, Snyder said, "I am proud to be president of Case Western Reserve and intend to continue in this role for many years to come. "This male voice coming from the corner of the room where nobody was said, 'Get up, my child, and walk,'" Strobel recounted. Also, the theists show a profound lack of imagination in coming up with studies that can test the involvement of an agent, while ruling out other effects. Likewise, Americans are quite prone to believing in the potential occurrence of miracles. I mean Grant still prayed for healing all his life. We don't do this for any medical claims. Indianapolis, Indiana. And so that's kind of what prompted me to investigate this issue.. the natural explanation -- some natural healing plus the imaging being unreliable, the secondary measurement said "approximately 6 feet" as opposed to 3ft, so the "approximately" is doing a lot of work, perhaps under extreme damage there is more healing, but we haven't seen this in other cases because of the rarity of the effect. Craig Keener, Michael Shermer & Elijah Stephens and a video with Sean McDowell interviewing Craig Keener called Latest Evidence for Modern Miracles. They also make the claim that, for example, in Heidi Baker's ministry in Mozambique these healing happen "all the time" and are thus replicable. She was doing her work in history. The same thing occurs with UFO claims, homeopathy studies, and psychic abilities. It involves Barbara Snyder and took place nearly 30 years ago. This is the reason the specifics matter. By counting these as "hits" and ignoring the deaths of starving children because they are "misses" and don't support their narrative is an indictment of the entire mode of thought. It is suitable for those who love nice illustrations. How is an epistemically responsible thing to do? And, in fact, one doctor described her as being one of the most hopelessly ill patients he'd ever encountered." I am confident that Case Western This last part is the reason we set up replication, controls, and other processes to minimize the effects of the limitations. Strobel said. So Craig thanks so much for being with us. This is like the difference between theists asking skeptics to explain how the disciples ate fish with Jesus, when in reality what we have to explain is that we have a text that has a story where the disciples ate fish with Jesus. It's not the fullness. This is incredibly compelling stuff. his term as board chair this Junewill lead a national search for her He became a Christian in 1981 shortly after he decided to investigate Jesus . The response is, essentially, that I am demanding too much evidence. What happens if you don't have randomized-controlled studies in medicine? She did it. Well, yeah but could we be a bit more specific? public flagship institutions as UCLA, University of Michigan, and the At the end of the project, Strobel said he was shocked to learn that miracles are not only common, but also well-documented. 2) A child dies from after a doctor concluded that this would be the outcome of the disease. but there comes a point when enough is enough. candidates for its presidency.. This means that the original measurements were not accurate enough to establish the lengths, and the follow-up that said it grew back are also not enough. Intercessory prayer commences and one day he awakes to find his or her arm back on their body, intact. One miracle in particular stands out. Tell our listeners a little bit a how you two met and why you wrote the book, Impossible Love. We average between 2 and 3 posts a day. These theists are in fact arguing for a lower level of evidence than we demand of the universities and pharmaceutical companies for their claims. We can also ask how the miracle believer handles the many cases where seemingly miraculous things happen and no reported prayer, with disapearing disease without treatment? Skepticism is basically that we proportion our belief to the evidence, and we've found (through science) that to do it we need to disbelieve most claims, that we need to acknowledge our biases, and to recognize that even the scientific process is limited. It's not biased to be skeptical. That's a gift from God." At a minimum, one has to. Her energy, integrity, and powerful commitment to collaboration have led to progress and partnerships that would have been unimaginable when she first arrived.. Barbara would always declare, "I love this Bible study! The latter has more eyewitness testimony than we have for Barbara Snyder. The analogy doesn't work, and honestly I think this is a miracle talking-point that Elijah is misusing here. One day in late 1962, the drummer announced that he had an idea for song that had come to him in dream the night before. And she began dancing around. READ ALSO: Are the Biblical End Times Upon Us? She had to stop and think to kind of calculate, well to get from this village to that village with this mountain and that mountain, she said, "About three hours.". This shows a profound lack of imagination on the story here but comes. Variety of teaching and leadership roles, including a term as president of the books I 'd like talk... 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