I just wanted the truth. with dignity and therefore my resignation is effective immediately and unconditionally. Does a bishop have the authority to disfellowship someone in his ward without informing them? and the first century C.E., long after Abraham lived." The LDS church announced that Elder James Hamula had been released from his role in the church's leadership "following church disciplinary action." Why won't you just answer the following questions, President? than censorship and the obstruction of free flow of information. Regardless, I wish to express gratitude to President Ivins for his offer to hold an informal meeting in March before any disciplinary court to explain to 20 times. Why do they deserve our blind loyalty and unquestioning obedience? My But now, after the press release, press conference, media interviews and tremendous reaction/response on social media, he is willing to move it back to the assist, please let me know. As an act of good faith, while our dialogue takes place, your CES Letter website and any other related or similar websites, blogs, tweets, ect., will be this day as I am only interested in correct facts and information. half. non-transparency. goal has been to get official answers from the church as promised me by its CES Director three years ago. Also attached is my November 2, 2014 letter to you for your years. I believe in the Mormon Marketplace of Information.". Brigham Young was wrong about Adam being God, for claiming it was received by revelation, and for introducing this false doctrine into the veil of the "So, because you guys are not answering my questions, and you guys have not answered my questions the past 3 years, it is very clear to me that the church does not have answers to its truth crisis. I had no idea what you were talking about or accusing Many wonder if the After the above press release by the CES Letter Foundation, Runnells emailed Ivins the following 3:25pm email (screenshot): My response to your news can be read here: https://cesletter.org/lds-church-postpones-court-of-love-against-jeremy-runnells.html. church" by simply publishing and discussing the very same information and facts verified today publicly by the church's own essays. Runnells replies back to Ivins' above email with the following 3:37pm email (screenshot): I can come in on March 15, 2016 @ 7:30pm. I would need to receive that document at least three days before the council.". attacks on my integrity by FairMormon and other unofficial Mormon apologists. Urged me to stay in steerage on its way to the bottom of the Atlantic. The real question here is if the church really believes in and is confident in its foundational truth claims to welcome hard investigation and scrutiny. This ignited a firestorm online and in social media. However, in light of your recent surgery and the fact that you have a close member who is near death, I have decided to postpone Runnells' response to Ivins' above March 6, 2016 @ 8:19pm email is the following 11:45pm email (screenshot). assumption has always been that the 15th meeting is still on but wanted to make double sure. They saw us as the enemy, Spangler said. If you should have any other questions or need any further clarification, please do not hesitate to ask me. essay admits and disavows as "theories" originated by racist Brigham Young in 1852. He must, The recordings and emails speak for themselves. last generation - with the access to information on the internet, we can't continue that pattern; I think we need to continue to Truth in Church History. My friend later became a bishop. willingness to publicly correct any mistakes and errors in the CES Letter and website. I entertained the answers of unofficial apologists. Explore your doubts. has became very clear to me that the church does not have answers to their truth crisis. Related A professor at a Mormon university was asked to retract a pro-LGBT Facebook post. Front row: Jody England Hansen. However, my last bishop approached me the last time Dialogue published me congratulating me. If we have not the truth, it ought to be harmed." If there is anything we can do to Stephen Daley, LDS stake (regional) president in Derby, wrote in a letter on Wednesday that while members may hold diverse opinions on a number of topics, Helfer "cannot be a member in good. . While our dialogue takes place, you will stop trying to raise funds to support your efforts to question the history or operation of the Church. I have never once actively promoted or marketed the CES Letter or cesletter.org on any paid media (PPC, Banner Displays, Billboards, Mailings, etc.). Runnells responded that he had already given his answer to Ivins' secretary and asked if I have invited my two counselors and if you so choose, feel free to invite Sister Runnells to attend. I relate this to you because as you consider your course of action, I want you to understand that you do not have to see yourself only as an enforcer. concessions given in its essays. See attached Jeremy Runnells' Temple Recommend Interview PDF to see my answers to each The CES Letter exists only because the CES Director requested it and I gave him my sincere questions and concerns per his request. meetings. Updated on June 25, 2019. This never happened. Sam Young, once a bishop in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, has been excommunicated for criticizing the Mormon practice of sexually explicit "worthiness" interviews with young . your doctrinal concerns across the internet, seeking funding on the internet to address and develop new material related to your concerns that you have And on page 61 in a discussion on excommuniation, it discusses sending the name-removal letter to Church headquarters: "In cases of excommunication the same records are sent to Church headquarters along with the following items when applicable: 1) The letter written by a person requesting that his name be removed from the records of the . As mentioned above, the CES Letter went viral online because of other people who also share the same questions and concerns I do, independent of my With such a sketchy track record, what credibility do these 15 men in Salt Lake have? She said Hickey did not consult with Pope John Paul II. This is the family member referred to above as being in hospice. Front row: Jody England Hansen. Take notice that several of the above quotes invite and encourage investigation. The following brief video is a great observation of this entire process: Flip the Script: The How and Why of Jeremy Runnells' Exit. Lots of hats but no cattle. Runnells received a phone call from Ivins himself a little past noon. 1) To protect and to safeguard the Church's purity, integrity, and good name 2) The protect the innocent 3) To save the soul of the transgressor The primary question a stake president or bishop will determine is whether or not the individual has sufficiently confessed and forsook their sin. Parking is available in surrounding lots. The CES Director read the letter and promised a response to Runnells' questions and concerns. Church members can be excommunicated if they are involved in gross iniquity. Internet Mormon organizations such as FairMormon, Mormon Interpreter, SHIELDS, etc., the CES Letter Foundation accepts donations. Prior to his excommunication, Hamula served as the executive director of the Correlation Department, which oversees changes to church doctrine and practice and maintains unity in the wider church. It was not Christlike in any way. opinions in the church. In fact, they had to wait approximately 5 minutes from Runnells' entering the room for Ivins to come back in the room with an interpreter. the church. When I sent the CES Letter to the CES Director in April 2013, the church had To the best of my knowledge, everything posted in the CES Letter and on my website is completely accurate and solidly based in Church history. For more information and developments on this story, see http://cesletter.org. And good comeback. As of Thursday, more than 200 health-care professionals signed a letter to the stake president saying they are concerned that withdrawing Helfer's membership will create a culture of stigma and. having children but having never lived together or having ever had any kind of joint life doesn't even qualify you for a common law marriage. It is my sincere hope that your next email to me will contain answers that I have been asking you for - many times - over the past year and a The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints excommunicated a prominent sex therapist on Wednesday, citing her criticism of the church and its leaders on social media. LDS Church members have reached out to Runnells after reading the CES Letter. Date. I have not only offered this in writing but several times in our conversations in our October 19, 2014 and November 2, 2014 Nothing got through to him. It disturbing. These cookies track visitors across websites and collect information to provide customized ads. - Elder Hugh B. free agency and the free agency of others, and to take our conversation away from the light of transparency and openness into the dark of secrecy and It just feels is ever brought to my attention that there are any inaccuracies in the CES Letter or on my website, I am totally and completely agreeable and committed to They are unofficial men with unofficial pet theories and unofficial claims that the LDS Church theories promoting a bizarre version of Mormonism that Chapel Mormons would not recognize. The Court of Jeremy Runnells. You attempted to place conditions on me by demanding that I take down everything and to move our conversation into the dark. I'm not alone here. Some leaders, like Hans Mattsson, an area authority in Sweden, when One of the most common questions that is asked on message boards for people who are in a new place with the church because of problems with church history and doctrine is Should I resign or should I let them excommunicate me? Many reasons have been given for both approaches. The cookie is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Performance". (Toto, Helfer isnt in Kansas anymore. /r/Mormon is a subreddit for articles and topics of interest to people interested in Church leaders became aware that Lyman was having an affair with a woman he had been given to counsel and excommunicated him for unlawful cohabitation. This essay statement directly contradicts the statement found in the Book of Abraham: "The writings of Abraham while he was in Egypt, called the Book of Abraham, written by his own hand, upon papyrus." held on April 17, 2016 @ 6:00pm. Laura Pitkin, post-script to a letter from Vilate Kimball to Heber C. Kimball, July 18, 1840, cited in Susan Easton Black and Larry C. Porter, Martin Harris: Uncompromising Witness of the Book of Mormon (Provo, UT: BYU Studies, 2018), 315. temple blessings." Kelly founded the group Ordain Women and has been active in leading marches and protests as she argues for a broader role for women in the Mormon church, including ordination as priests. This is a copy of the letter which I sent out by mail to all active ward members in January 2011 just after notifying the Stake President of my resignation as Bishop of Helston Ward, Plymouth England Stake. There was an informal March 15th meeting scheduled with the Stake President but that has been cancelled as well. Since our conversation two weeks ago, I have received It mostly deals with historical issues surrounding the time of the founding of the LDS Church in the 1820s and 1830s, although it does talk about more modern issues as well. Its like even the witnesses were pre-excommunicated out of communication, out of sight, out of the protection of the Church Handbook. Thanks for the laugh. the two of us. crazy but factual anti-free agency story of an angel with a sword threatening Joseph Smith with destruction if he didn't practice polygamy. Questions which you agreed to help me get answers to - with zero conditions attached - in our November 2, 2014 A tragedy for the children short term, but Sam's courage and sacrifice has drawn more attention than the church will ever be able to repel through threats and bullying of activists and concerned members. - And I find that very, very want my name permanently and completely removed from the membership rolls of the church. Ivins' church office in American Fork, Utah. The decision to release everything also is due to a desire to be transparent and open to the public as well as to provide the public insight and education It is a way to avoid people claiming they didn't know about the court. council: Jeremy Runnells, Author of CES Letter, Faces LDS Church Excommunication: Jeremy Runnells, author of the popular Letter to a CES Director faces excommunication from the LDS Church on In that letter and the excommunication letter, King did not mention same-sex marriage or female ordination among the reasons. truth, most of which truths are now verifiable today through the Church's new essays. He was made General Authority in 2008meaning he had to give up his practice as a lawyer and serve the church full timeand spent time in New Zealand before returning to the church's Utah headquarters in 2014. In other words, Joseph's Book of Abraham translations are wrong. I had two meetings with you (Stake President) in the fall of 2014. Members of the Mormon Tabernacle Choir sing during the biannual general conference of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints in Salt Lake City, Utah, on April 5, 2014. The Church really does not have answers to its truth crisis, The Church will attempt to destroy the messenger rather than address the message. TonightI took back my own power. (screenshot): Dear Brother Runnells - Thank you for the email and the expression of your feelings regarding your current situation. Excommunication is the most severe Church disciplinary action. Such an event is rare, particularly for a church official of such high standing. You are attempting to spiritually Among the more interesting items in the collection is a lecture she gave in 1970 titled "Can We Manipulate the Past?" lies" suddenly became October 22nd's church essay facts. agreement by pushing to excommunicate me for reasons I did not know or understand. I think that only formal probation is recorded and sent on to the Stake. I am resigning because I no longer want to be a part of or associated with a fundamentalist religion that does not value and respect intellectual honesty, What errors or mistakes are there in the CES Letter and on my website that I can publicly correct? history. Runnells posts a link on Facebook to Elder M. Russell Ballard's "know the essays like the back of your hand" CES Address and writes: Elder Ballard: Don't turn to Google for answers, turn to us for answers. 1.5 years of waiting for answers/corrections from Stake President Mark Ivins only to be met with silence, threats, and ultimately an excommunication The simultaneous loss of these two witnesses of the Book of Mormon caused great sorrow throughout the Church. If we have not the truth, it ought to be harmed.". I have repeatedly asked you to correct me or to show me errors and mistakes that I can publicly correct. Although it may seem like a punishment, IMO it is an act of compassion. After sending my letter to the CES Director I never received a response back from him to my questions and concerns, nor did he ever follow through with against me. LDS Church Postpones Court of Love Against Jeremy Runnells: I received an email this morning from my Stake President, Mark Ivins, indicating that the disciplinary council has been postponed until March 2016 - it Your words above ring extremely hollow in light of your consistent refusal to answer legitimate and reasonable questions. I'm gonna go in tonight with my head held high, morally clean, and with a clear conscience that I have done nothing wrong. It shackled you with the notion that the world was dark and lost for the express purpose of preventing you from seeing its light and findings your own way. I want to add that I trust that you will be fair to me and will follow Mark Hofmann Salamander Letter; David Whitmer's Second Seer Stone . regarding the Church, and are rejecting my proposal to have a private and confidential written dialogue about your concerns with Church history and If there are no errors or mistakes, why am I being punished for seeking and sharing the truth? The CES Director read the letter and promised a response to Runnells' questions and concerns. I am glad to hear that, although you need to understand that some of Washington City resident Bill Reel, who . I felt they needed to know the truth about my resignation from myself, because rumours can & I have been asking you - for a year and a half now - to correct me and to show me errors and mistakes in the CES Letter and on cesletter.org so that I can Believing and claiming that homosexuals are as loved by God as heterosexuals, for example, will get you excommunicated. thousands of questioning current and former LDS Church members. I no longer have access to the CHI, so I'm going from memory here a little bit, but probation is really up to the discretion of the Bishop as to the DOs and DON'Ts. It's important because if not all the information is on the table, if an organization or an individual takes some information off the table - critical information - they are literally obstructing their free agency of the member or investigator. half. It was cold. taken down and you will stop distributing your materials about the Church to others. This date has not But on Tuesday, the church was thrown into the limelight after it announced that it had. I did it their way only to find lots of icing but no cake. there to answer/rebut your accusation once again: It is not my goal nor is it the goal of the CES Letter Foundation to drive members out of the church. I plan to continue to render service to members can be an advocate for the Saints in your Stake. I am supportive of them and their desires to attend Church on Sunday. If you allow yourself to be excommunicated, then the Church forever will claim that narrative in your life. Why won't you just answer my questions, President? I am no longer a member of the church. June 23, 2014 -- Mormon women's rights activist Kate Kelly was excommunicated by the church Monday. During the months of March and April, Runnells and Ivins held conversations via email discussing issues and concerns. If no one volunteered any translations, I would not have bothered with it. - President Gordon B. Hinckley, "I have been very grateful that the freedom, dignity, and integrity of the individual are basic in church doctrine. The Mormonism I grew up in was a Mormonism where you were expected to do what is right while letting the consequences follow. Fortunately, Elder M. Russell Ballard gave a recent talk to the Church Educational System this So the real problem here is that the church has a problem with freedom of expression. All I've wanted was the truth. Runnells was shocked as he was expecting the meeting to be a continuation of their November 2, 2014 meeting where Ivins would follow up and return to "discuss my membership in the church." notice will be delivered to you regarding the scheduled disciplinary council. section is basically for lazy people who don't want to listen to or read the entire thing but who still want the main points and meat of the conversation Topics: I have done nothing wrong. I was always curious as to what level a court is required. Truth stands boldly and unafraid; it is not shaken by testing or investigation. Excommunication is the most severe penalty that can be imposed by church leaders and effectively means that the exiled person is no longer a Mormon. As fun as it was wrestling with these unofficial apologists and defenders, the reality at the end of the day is this: unofficial Mormon apologetics are Albert Smith, "Mormonism, as it is called, must stand or fall on the story of Joseph Smith. Someone I know went to a new ward, her records were transferred and it said she was currently disfellowhipped, she was a member in good standing with a temple recommend, but found out in her new ward that she had been disfellowshipped. complete and full confidence in my interpreter to get it right. Also note that, after Runnells' strong protest to Ivins, this letter moves away from "conduct unbecoming a member" and other vague insinuations to simply "apostasy". President, I am excommunicating the LDS Church, I am excommunicating you, and I am excommunicating this kangaroo court from my life. accepted by Ivins. This In the letter they appended to Phelps's, Orson Hyde and John E. Page noted that Phelps did not have enough money to travel to Illinois to visit JS in person. seen as nothing short of Orwellian. We were five docile women standing there in our Sunday dress. [2], According to the Salt Lake Tribune and The Daily Beast, the letter has been influential in the decision of many now-former members of the LDS Church to resign their membership. Checkerboy was right. A vigil for Jeremy Runnells is being organized on Sunday, February 14, 2016 @ 7:00 pm Mountain Time at the American Fork Utah East Stake Center. In response to and protest of Mark Ivins' inhumane ASL interpreter ban (See April 7th Disciplinary Council letter), CES Letter Foundation released the following: When Jeremy Runnells was 14, a General Authority blessed and promised him that his hearing would be naturally restored. The church does not like individuals asking questions about its truth claims. Natasha Helfer has become a prominent Mormon sex therapist because many people find her common-sense positions on issues like masturbation helpful and compassionate. Being Unrepentant is the main reason, a lot depends on callings that are held, if you've been through the temple. This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. The following is a video and transcript of Runnells' speech: I want to first thank each and every one of you for being here tonight. I am confident that you will be able to hear and understand the proceedings. Runnells responded to Ivins' April 7, 2016 Disciplinary Court letter with the following 2:22am email (screenshot). I have done nothing wrong to warrant this kind of response let alone a disciplinary council. Why won't you just answer the questions in Runnells held a Press Conference on February 10, 2016 to publicly discuss his Stake President's actions. Of seer stones. Here is a sister - of ours (ALL members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints; hereafter "the Church) who has not maintained a close relationship with her leaders or community recently and seems perplexed that "people who do not even know me" are calling her to account with her (perceived) "contrary to the doctrines of the Church" pronouncements. actions in a premortal life;" - Race and the Priesthood. After 3 years of waiting from the CES Director to fulfill his promise to give me answers to my sincere questions and concerns and after a year and a half In other words, yesterday's prophets are today's heretics. My cancelled disciplinary councils against me. Here&39;s a LDS Youtuber and author I enjoy. Where I have erred or made mistakes, I have publicly corrected. What you are asking me to do by taking down the "CES Letter website and any other related or similar websites, blogs, tweets, ect. So the church doesn't believe in free agency. 0:00. In fact, October 19th's "anti-Mormon It doesnt come from the example of Jesus. I'm done with this court. Runnells received no text reply back from Ivins' secretary. "As the letter shared by Ms. Helfer indicates, the decision of the local leaders was based on her public, repeated opposition to the church, church leaders and the doctrine of the church, including our doctrine on the nature of the family and on moral issues," Hawkins said in a statement. The February 28th cancellation of the March 20th court has nothing to do with my grandfather's passing. insinuations against Runnells along with their multiple attempts to excommunicate Jeremy Runnells. questions posed in CES Letter and raised concerns about the LDS Church's recent historical essays ( http://lds.org/topics/essays). be more open." Who's Performing at Trump's Inauguration. You're invited to your Court of Love next month. The cookies is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Necessary". In addition to including additional information, my updates also included correcting errors and mistakes that came to my attention. President Ivins has never given me any mistakes to correct as required by Church Handbook for disciplinary actions. work is a fraud. never a remote thought of holding a "surprise" disciplinary council on March 15th. The website exists for the purpose of being able to directly respond, in an organized manner, to those who have attacked me and continue to The Salamander Letter: The Most Scandalous Document In Mormon History A clip from Netflix's Murder Among the Mormons that explores the infamous salamander letter. Imagine my shock, after waiting for your answers for a year and a half, to get a phone call from you instead telling me you wanted me to come in to The first two how do they differ and who is ones membership changed? My well-meaning mother has told my 19yr old sister that if she moves in with her boyfriend that she is a candidate for excommunication. Yesterday's "anti-Mormon lies" are now presented to me in our first and only October 19, 2014 meeting before today's November 2, 2014 meeting. Runnells reports that he met twice with his LDS Stake President, Mark Ivins, in the fall of 2014. All of these ideals and principles deeply and profoundly resonated with limitation. "I began to have these feelings of betrayal. the blessings of the Temple because of what the Race and the Priesthood Both creative science and revealed religion find their fullest and truest expression in the climate of freedom." I chose to defend myself. with fearless and open mind 'insist that facts are far more important than any cherished, mistaken beliefs, no matter how unpleasant the facts or how distributing your materials about the Church to others" is to censor sincere questions as well as hard facts and truths (and its open discussion in the Yesterday's doctrine is today's disavowed "theories". on how the LDS Church treats its doubters and questioners who dare ask questions and share concerns about LDS church essay verified problems with LDS foundational truth claims. There will still be work to be done in clearing out the cobwebs of control from your mind but that theme is the most empowering one upon which to do so. Yet, that didn't stop him from attempting to spiritually execute me. contradict each other. Another formal I'm going to begin by bringing up two very important fundamental points that I believe is the foundation and heart of all of this. You either have it, or you do not. Jul 13, 2010 at 12:30 am. - Book of Abraham. The following is the PDF letter Runnells attached to the email to Ivins: I received your letter announcing a disciplinary council to be held against me on April 17, 2016. We also use third-party cookies that help us analyze and understand how you use this website. Is this really a legitimate reason for excommunication? just means you may spend a lot of time in court working out visitation, no actual marriage or divorce has to take place. This is my summary of the heartbreaking saga with my commentary on how it relates to the LDS faith crisis issues I write about frequently. She tried several things to humanize the situation, like talking to the doorkeeper and explaining how she had gotten a blessing from her own stake president before coming to Kansas and had prayed that they would all be able to see one another beyond their divisions. fellow Saints and disciplining any of them who had questions, he saw that it was his pastoral duty to be an advocate for them and to help elevate those In the event, if any, that a third disciplinary council is set up against me, I will be sure to let everyone know. I am glad to hear that, although you need to understand that some of It is all recorded and documented for you to see for yourself. 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