That tongue is doing something to the DNA. Methylations, phosphorylation, and so on. JAD: Or does it get passed on such a deep level that doesn't even require teaching? They could eat twice, three times as much. All these chemicals racing by crashing into it, sticking, and one of the bits that gets covered up is that little bit that makes the proteins that create a maternal instinct. CARL ZIMMER: They'd spend more time in the water. ROBERT: Which turn out to be an interesting thing to look at it because the people in verkalix who were farming SAM KEAN: Trying to eke a living out of the soil. Isaiah's in college and Taylor and Brandon, I met them at Barbara's house and they seemed to be fine. Sincerely, Jennifer.". Riksarkivet. It's a small forest area, very beautiful. I mean, for one thing, Barbara's white and Destiny's black. But wouldnt it be nice if thats how it worked? PAT: I like you, I get the sense that there's a lot of warmth in you. Well, he thought it might have been an assistant trying to frame him because he was Jewish. Well, it was a zoo where there was all sorts of experiments going on. His big idea, as you might know, is that what a person does in their lifetime could be directly passed to their kids. JAD: Michael and Frances looked inside the brains of these rats and what they saw was that the rats who had been licked a lot as babies, they had more stuff in their head. What does it look like? But in the middle of a conversation about how to fight the virus, we find a place impervious to the stalled plans and frenetic demands of the outside world. OLOV BYGREN: Looking for patterns in cardiovascular diseases, high blood pressure, and such. ROBERT: I think what's weird here is that is that we started trying to make a difference in our children and now we're surprise attacked by our grandparents. ROBERT: He was a born nurturer and he adored animals. JAD: And these things are called, apparently, methyl groups. It does, it does make kind of a folk sense. They both say that they actually often forget that they're not biologically related. SAM KEAN: Well, he thought it might have been an assistant trying to frame him because he was Jewish. Or very many of them right at all, but, you know, his basic idea seems to be true. The bit of DNA that will give this baby when it grows up the instincts to be nice to its baby, and lick that baby. So the great rat nightmare comes true where the females become their mothers. Who are you? I mean, he hates water. I'm so proud and I have four years clean. Like, I mean, as far as positives can go, I think I hit the jackpot. Were less prone to diabetes. There were four girls and Barbara and Destiny told me that a few years ago they found three of them and they all either were in college or had finished college. I do mean that. I'm in public health. And Destiny says she doesn't really care DESTINY HARRIS: I got these genes from somewhere, but I kind of feel like she was a surrogate, like she carried me for my real mom. I guess the way I would look at it is that you can change your environment a lot more easily than you can change your genes. They decided to explore this question. In just two generations, these toads seem to have done something that should have taken, I don't know, 50, 100 generations? MICHAEL MEANEY: Yeah, you can't touch that. How old are your boys right now? On the one hand, she says, immediately, cheques started arriving. PAT WALTERS: Mamaw was the one I'd come to see. PAT: You picked him up right from the hospital? It was something they acquired during their lifetime. Were there any consequences? Or does it get passed on such a deep level that doesn't even require teaching? It was something they acquired during their lifetime. You're obviously a great mom, but that feels cold to me. JAD: These were kids that didn't end up with Barbara? That's a lot of people. I think I was really horrified and terrified. And Barbara is not offering that. ", And I called my husband again at work and said, "They want to know if we want to take the baby." Well, yep, that is so true. What exactly happens between 9 to 12 that makes this big difference? Yeah, it was a very attractive theory to them in Moscow. JAD: And I know I cant change those genes. He extended this idea to people. Like, "How did this happen? ROBERT: And there were from the beginning. Yeah. I mean, yes, I might get a great family, but I might not. The reason they're more aroused is that the mom's licking activates the release of adrenaline and noradrenaline in the pup. And he was going through withdrawal. Yeah. SAM KEAN: Darwin's theory would have said, you know, 90% of the toads are going to die. That's really impressive. It's against the rules. LATIF: And as of 11:01 a.m. on Tuesday, when were recording this, we have not broken the show. LULU: Did you know there is a part of this show is gonna be like crazy breaking news, like happened yesterday and we already have a deep take on it? JAD: But that you supposedly can't get to. Even though Destiny's mom was doing all sorts of drugs during her pregnancy and the doctors told Barbara that Destiny was going to be mentally and physically delayed Not feeling the way I'm supposed to feel. You must have internet access to do this). Yes, she has the same name as me. PAT: It would be wrong to assume the women Barbara talks about on TV [ARCHIVAL CLIP, BARBARA HARRIS: These women don't just have one and two babies. It's a little odd, actually. PAT: And she says, one day, this idea just came to her. So he actually went to Vienna. Meaning that they had less incidence of heart disease? I don't think that puts me in the same category as Hitler. PAT: And she says oftentimes the women who want help have a really hard time finding it. SAM KEAN: Yeah, it was a very attractive theory to them in Moscow. JAD: Is that a genetic hatred of whistling that I just had? BARBARA HARRIS: Saying the mother had given birth to a baby girl, did we want her? Please welcome Barbara.]. And as of 11:01 a.m. on Tuesday, when were recording this, we have not broken the show. Okay, you want to say bye? Visited Kammerer's lab when Kammerer wasn't there. Hosted by Jad Abumrad and Robert Krulwich, Radiolab is a " show about curiosity " that examines science, history, and philosophy to answer the big questions about life. Move on to the next cage, yes, no? JAD: Or did I somehow learn that? I think what's weird here is that is that we started trying to make a difference in our children and now we're surprise attacked by our grandparents. He works at the Karolinska Institute in Sweden where he studies population data. Copyright 2022 New York Public Radio. How was this woman allowed", BARBARA HARRIS: "To walk into the hospital and drop off a damaged baby and just walk away with no consequences?". SAM KEAN: And he would basically turn the heat way, way up in these aquariums until they had to go underwater. See, this is the story of science that doesn't get told. I think all parents do this, is that you slip into this Lamarckian delusion that What you do with your kids can somehow rewrite all of that. JAD: [expletive] That was awesome. Kammerer thought, "Wow. JAD: I dont know. Thanks to Olov Bygren, reporter Pejk Malinovski and Karin Borgkvist Ljung, and I'm a senior archivist at the National Archive in Marieberg in Stockholm. And according to Barbara, the majority of the women she pays are white. JAD: His reputation was that he could get inside the mind of, say, a salamander and know just what it wanted to eat. There's going to be this massacre of toads and only a few lucky ones are going to survive. Yeah, there you go. They all go down to the DNA, surround that methyl and just, pow! We neuter them.". JAD: So we're going to leave you with a story from our producer, Pat Walters, about one woman's radical JAD: A few months ago, Pat made his way down in North Carolina, to a small suburb outside of Charlotte to visit this family. OLOV BYGREN: Something happens on the molecular level. DESTINY HARRIS: Taylor Swift's Never Getting Back Together. What's happening during this time is that you're setting aside the stock of cells that you're going to draw on in the future to make sperm cells. Who are they? CARL ZIMMER: Just until they hatch and then 'til they go off. DESTINY HARRIS: And right now, I'm student teaching. And were trying to think about how do we keep it the same in a lot of ways, but also how do we let it grow into something beyond what it was originally built to be. JAD: But were gonna play you stories where JAD: This is Radiolab. We ask deep questions and use investigative journalism to get the answers. It might be a mixture. Lamarck said, You wanna know how a giraffe got its long neck?, One day this giraffe, mother giraffe, lets say, was looking up in the tree and saw some fruit, and had to stretch he neck, and stretch again. From pneumonia. Barbara Harris. And she says oftentimes the women who want help have a really hard time finding it. So that was just funny to me. I wont say too much more except it includes one of my favorite kind of scientific parables that like Ive ever heard. You can imagine these toads are like, "Dammit, fine. I'm graduating in December. She was totally an oops kid. CARL ZIMMER: Well, there was an expert on reptiles named G. Kingsley Noble. All rights reserved. But that you supposedly can't get to. Completely answer all questions in Section I AND Section IV. In RadioLab a laboratory setting is used, in which the player receives radioactive stones that emit alpha, beta and gamma radiation particles. It is hosted by Lulu Miller and Latif Nasser. All jokes aside. ], [ARCHIVAL CLIP, BARBARA HARRIS: I'm going to go out into the streets and offer addicted women money to use birth control. We'll just get one more.". Covid has disrupted the most basic routines of our days and nights. PAT: Because the truth is, you have no idea how these kids are going to turn out. They suddenly had to get by on a tiny fraction of the food that they were used to. PAT: Destiny says before she was born, her mom had four other girls. As he's doing his rounds, he stops by the midwife toad terrarium, he looks down at that little male toad with grapes stuck to his legs and he wonders, "How adaptable is that little guy?" You're not leaving this hospital unless you have long-term birth control.". LULU: A really good radiolab about this called Inheritance. Well, I mean, Hitler thought that if you were Jewish, that you had given up the right to be a mother and hed sterilize people as well. That's what I remember her saying. ], Like you said, when you were in your addiction like she is], I didn't say I'm God. JAD: To fellow named Jean-Baptiste Pierre Antoine de Monet, chevalier de Lamarck. So were getting close to the moment of truth, because there it is. JAD: Because here's the thing, the churches up in verkalix kept incredibly detailed records. You know, like if you're abused as a kid, you were more likely to abuse your kid, but still, you got to wonder. Olov told us, take heart disease. Maybe they'd try and jump back out, but it was still hot so they'd have to jump back in. Listen Jan 20, 2023 PAT: She actually emailed me afterwards and adjusted that number down a couple hundred. He'd fall asleep and just wake up screaming. They have six, seven, eight, ten, fourteen.]. I just got custody of my eight-year-old son. JAD: That's against the rules. They have six, seven, eight, ten, fourteen.]. Okay, I'm here. Or is it? I don't like to upset people. JAD: When rats have more of this protein, they will act more motherly. Right below the headlines says, "Scientist's great discovery which may change us all.". Yes. So imagine the DNA in that brain cell. JAD: I mean, were not gonna do that ourselves. And at a time when you're not making the best decisions anyway. With NPR's Rough Translation. In pictures, he has that, you know, that crazy Einstein fuzzy hair thing. Barbara Harris says she's convinced more than a dozen women], Have accepted her offer to be sterilized in return for money.]. JAD: So then over the next 70 some odd years, Lamarck basically became the poster boy for, like, the big dumb idea, the idea that you want to believe in but that you know isn't true. Radiolab Society & Culture Science Latest Transcripts What Up Holmes? She's 22 now and she's never even met her birth mom. BARBARA HARRIS: Aw, you blew him a kiss? [chuckles]. And in1923, he actually comes to England. ROBERT: But luckily for the Vivarium and for our story, they had a guy. Radiolab is a radio program broadcast on public radio stations in the United States, and a podcast available internationally, both produced by WNYC.Hosted by Jad Abumrad, Latif Nasser and Lulu Miller, each episode focuses on a topic of a scientific and philosophical nature, through stories, interviews, and thought experiments.. In this episode, originally aired in 2012,we put nature and nurture on a collision course and discover how outside forces can find a way inside us, and change not just our hearts and minds, but the basic biological blueprint that we pass on to future generations.Support Radiolab by becoming a member ofThe Labtoday. My home village was 10 miles North of polar circle. We spay them. ROBERT: Do you know anything about the other four? You just haven't evolved for this and there's no way you can, at least not quickly. [ARCHIVAL CLIP, Jad Abumrad: Whats that called?]. Around 1908, he started publishing all of these results. Were just talking about toad, I thought. PEJK MALINOVSKI: What does that mean, he was an idiot? And he says, "This isn't a nuptial pad, it looks darkened but that's just ink.". JAD: Or very many of them right at all, but, you know, his basic idea seems to be true. Just sing. So he's got to live his life as a toad with all this baggage on him? SAM KEAN: He extended this idea to people. The way she saw it, the state, the federal government, somebody Should say, "You're not doing this. [1] Radiolab was founded by Jad Abumrad and Robert Krulwich in 2002. Filled with dozens of letters from women that she's paid. Radiolab: From Tree to Shining Tree LISTEN Three guests: Suzanne Simard, a professor of forest ecology and teacher at the University of British Columbia, Jennifer Frazer, a science writer that has a blog called The Artful Amoeba, and Roy Halling, a mycologist. So were getting close to the moment of truth, because there it is. Actually, the idea itself is pretty old. CARL ZIMMER: Well, it was a zoo where there was all sorts of experiments going on. But if you've got a mom who licks you. The right hand had been cut off for microscopic slides. And I've got say, I'm feeling pretty good about this show so far. Did that scare you at all? And if you haven't, you can choose to have an IUD, or an implant put in which will last for several years. What they decided to do first was to try to figure out which rat was which, which meant, interestingly, counting all the legs. CARL ZIMMER: But there were a lot of skeptics. Were told. And youre saying that part of the DNA is covered up? The question that was stuck in my head right then was, "If you could choose between being born knowing that your life might end up like that and not like it is now, or not been born at all, what would you have done?". If you start smoking when you're 10, 11 something like that, you end up having children with more problems. Never mind, you're stuck with small boobies." DESTINY HARRIS: Not been born at all. One-fourth? Listen Feb 10, 2023 Bliss When did you last shout from happiness? JAD: And looking at these swings in fortune, Olov realized what he had here was JAD: Because with all this data, he and his team could follow families forward in time, through the generations. She actually emailed me afterwards and adjusted that number down a couple hundred. But she says she doesn't feel that way anymore. MICHAEL MEANEY: Kick off certain hormonal systems. The authoritative record of programming is the audio record. PAT: Nobody's arguing that women should do drugs when they're pregnant. 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